Tuesday, September 2, 2014

SECTION 2 - How Washed-up Jordan Did Against the Top Defenders of the "Advanced, More Athletic, Superior" 2000s Era


After looking at how weak 2000s defense is, let's see how a shell of Michael Jordan fared in the 2000s - and keep in mind this is before extra 2004/05 rule changes were added. Jordan didn't even have the benefit of all the weak rule changes like Lebron/Kobe/Durant etc do in the post-2005 seasons.

 According to Lebron/Kobe/2000s fanboys the newer defenders are supposed to be bigger, faster, stronger, and more skilled, so they should have no problem taking care of a 40 year old washed up Jordan. Especially when Jordan played in the "weak" 80s/90s against "slow, unathletic bums."
  • At age 38 in the 2001/02 season, Jordan averaged 25-6-5 on 42% with 1.5 spg and 0.5 bpg, through 46 games right before the all star break. 
  • Prior to injury, 38-year old Jordan actually averaged more rebs and assists against the weak post-Jordan defense than he did in his last 2 title seasons with the Bulls.
    • This was before Jordan injured his knee in a game against the Kings (Feb 7, 2002), the last Wizards game before the All-star break
    • The Wizards were 26-20 with Jordan by that point (Jordan missed one game against the Spurs, which the Wizards lost, bringing their record to 26-21 before the All-star break) and in the playoff hunt.
    • After Jordan's injury, they went 1-9 in the next 10 games and eventually fell out of the playoff race
    • 1996 MVP Jordan was contained to 27-5-4 on 42% shooting in the 1996 Finals, slightly worse than his 2001/02 season averages as a 38 year old man considering 1 assist and 1 rebound is worth more than 2 points
    • The fact that so-called "tougher" defenses couldn't do a better job on a 38 year old Jordan coming off of 3-year retirement than the Sonics did against an MVP Jordan in 1996 says a lot about the lack of modern defensive quality.
  • Jordan started in all 46 of those games, but only started in 7 more games for the rest of the season post All-star break, with his injury badly bringing down his numbers and team record
Keep this in mind

 While preparing for his return, Jordan's ribs were injured by Ron Artest during a pickup game. Jordan rushed his return to training, and Tim Grover advised against this due to tendonitis risk. Jordan overworked himself and his knees became a problem. 

 Before the season started, Jordan was already dealing with 
- having to skip 3 days of practice before the season opener in MSG because of fluid buildup in his knee 
- recovering from 2 broken ribs (against Artest) and back spasms
- tendinitis in his knee and wrist
- and during the season Jordan had fluid drained from his knee multiple times

 So even before his knee injury, he was already in a hobbled state

 Some more context - to read about Jordan's Wizard years in detail check Section 20

MJ 2001/02 season before injury (Age 38) through 46 games 
- (pts, rebs, assist, steals, blk) - 25.1 - 6.2 - 5.3 - 1.5 - 0.5 on 42% 
- slightly better than his 1996 Finals MVP averages
  • T-Mac was the only player to finish the season averaging at least 25-6-5
  • Jordan was averaging 25.1 - 6.2 - 5.3 - 1.5 - 0.5 at age 38 pre-injury
  • LeBron in 2014/15 - 25.3 - 6.0 - 7.4 - 1.6 - 0.7 at age 30
Jordan's numbers were also improving as the season went on.

In his last 20 games up to the injury he averaged  27.5 - 6.4 - 5.2 - 1.3 - 0.5 on 44% In his last 10 games up to the injury he averaged 29.7 - 6.6 - 6.1 - 1.2 - 0.3 on 47%

 It's also worth nothing that 17 of Jordan's 46 games (37% of them) came against top 10 defenses in points allowed. Despite a large proportion of those 46 games coming against top 10 defenses, he still put up those big numbers while not being healthy in the first place.

 Defensively Jordan also had an impact even at this late stage of his career.
2001 Wizards = 2nd worst in ppg allowed the year before.

Up to the injury game
2002 Wizards = allowed 92.2 ppg through 47 games (Jordan missed 1 game)
- would be tied for 6th-best in the league with the Pistons.

2002 Wizards = allowed 92.0 ppg in the 46 games Jordan played
- would be tied for 5th best in the league with the Nets

After Jordan's injury 
2002 Wizards = allowed 96.8 ppg in the remaining 35 games
- would be ranked 19th in the league
- and fell to 11th in ppg allowed for the overall season.
Jordan's defensive impact also improved as the season went on, prior to his injury.

The Wizards started the season off slow with a 2-9 start
- and allowed 98.4 ppg during the 2-9 start
- on pace for 5th worst in the league

In Jordan's last 35 games pre-injury after the 2-9 start
- the Wizards allowed 90.0 ppg
- on pace for 3rd best in the league

When Jordan and Rip Hamilton played together, they were 15-1 in their last 16 games together up to the injury 
- The Wizards allowed 86.3 ppg in that 15-1 stretch
- Easily on pace for the best in the league
- The 2002 Heat were number 1 at 88.7 ppg allowed
Rip played 78 games the previous year and the Wizards were still 2nd worst in ppg allowed. Had Jordan and Hamilton played a full, healthy season together, Jordan could potentially have taken the Wizards from 2nd worst to the best defense in the league in ppg allowed, and with Jordan being the only major addition to the player roster. 

Think about that for a second. A 38 year old hobbled Jordan being the only major addition to a team that would have gone from 2nd worst to number 1 in ppg allowed if not for injuries. Can you think of any other perimeter player who could have that type of defensive impact at that late a stage of their career? There are even very few big men or rim protectors who could have done so.

Under Jordan's defensive leadership, the 2002 Wizards were also great at holding opponent's to low FG%

The 2001 Wizards' opponents shot 47.0%, 3rd worst in the league

Through their first 47 games pre-Jordan's injury (Jordan missed 1 game)
- The 2002 Wizards' opponents shot 44.3%
- on pace for 11th best in the league

In the 35 games post-Jordan's injury
- The 2002 Wizards' opponents shot 46.4%
- on pace for 2nd worst in the league (0.0001% worse than the Suns)

And under Jordan, the Wizards improved on holding opponents to low FG% as the season went on

Wizards got off to a slow 2-9 start to begin the season
- The Wizards' opponents shot 46.8%
- on pace for worst in the league

In the Wizards last 36 games pre-Jordan injury (Jordan missed 1 game)
- The Wizards' opponents shot 43.6%
- on pace for 8th best in the league

The Wizards were 15-1 in the last 16 games that Jordan and Rip Hamilton played together prior to Jordan's knee injury
- The Wizards' opponents shot 41.7% in that 15-1 stretch
- Easily on pace for best in the league
- The 2002 Lakers held opponents to a league best 42.4%

Remember, Rip played 78 games the previous year and the Wizards were still 3rd worst in the league in opponent FG%. When Jordan and Rip played together, they were easily the best, and Jordan was the only major addition to the roster.

Jordan also had a huge impact on his team's rebounding, even though he was only third on the team in rpg

2002 Wizards = 43.27 rpg through 47 games pre-injury
(MJ missed 1 game)
- on pace for 9th best in the league

2002 Wizards = 43.39 rpg through 46 games that MJ played pre-injury
- on pace for 8th best in the league

2002 Wizards = 40.40 rpg in 35 games post-injury
- on pace for 4th worst in the league
- fell to 18th in rebounding for the overall season

and Jordan's impact on rebounding was also improving as the season went on

Wizards got off to a slow 2-9 start to begin the season
- averaged 40.36 rpg in that stretch 
- on pace for 4th worst in the league

In Jordan's last 35 games pre-injury
- the Wizards averaged 44.34 rpg 
- on pace for 3rd best in the league

Jordan was only 3rd on the team in rpg, but for whatever reason, his presence alone still made the Wizards an elite rebounding team, and they were a poor rebounding team without him. Even in 2001/02, Jordan pre-injury was a top 5 player in the league behind Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, and maybe Garnett. Players like T-Mac, Iverson, Vince, and Pierce didn't have as big an impact on winning. Chris Webber had a much better supporting cast than the 19-win Wizards as well and not a big impact on defense. Had Jordan and his team stayed healthy, he would have had a much bigger turnaround in the W-column than Jason Kidd did, who was 2nd place in 2002 MVP.

Jordan's Wizards were a much worse supporting cast than any of the aforementioned players' teams, especially with their 2nd best player Rip Hamilton missing 5 weeks. Even with Rip playing 78 games, the 2001 Wizards were a 19-win team with virtually the same supporting cast. Despite a much worse supporting cast than the aforementioned players, he still led them to a winning record with an injured Rip Hamilton prior to the injury, and as mentioned above, the Wizards were 15-1 in their last 16 games prior to the knee injury with Jordan and Rip both playing.

So, prior to his injury, an old Jordan in the 2001/02 season was an exceptional all around player, with the exception of lower efficiency (due in large part to physical ailments he was dealing with prior to the season), though his lower efficiency didn't stop him from putting his team in the W column. Unfortunately, the knee problems would carry over into his last Wizards' season, and along with his pre-existing physical ailments, he was unable to have this kind of impact again.

The only negative of Jordan's game was FG%, which is to be expected at the tail end of your career, and his low FG% had much more to do with his back, rib, knee, and wrist injuries along with his old age, rather than the defense he was facing. However, low FG% doesn't necessarily equate to a negative effect on your team's win column. 
  • In Jordan's 46 games before knee injury the Wiz had a 26-20 (0.565 win%).
  • In games without MJ and post-injury, the Wiz had a 11-25 (0.300 win%)
MJ's Wiz did FAR worse without him or post-injury in the 2001/02 season. They went from playoff contenders to a horrible team. Jordan's low FG% is irrelevant, not only because 42% shooting as a 38 year old man off of 3 year retirement (and already dealing with tendinitis, knee and rib issues to start the season) is far from horrible, but because he helped his team win games regardless. Looking at FG% alone and nothing else proves little.

 The 2001 Wizards were a 19-win team the year before, but well on track to make the playoffs with Jordan. There are only two instances that a team got a winning record one year after getting less than 20 wins

2004 Nuggets
- who drafted Carmelo
- and added Andre Miller

2009 Heat 
- with Wade coming back from injury
- along with adding Jermaine O'Neal 
- and drafting Michael Beasley.
Outside of Jordan, the 2002 Wizards' only new additions were 5 bench players, 4 of whom where rookies that played very little minutes  
- Tyronn Lue (20 mpg)
- Rookie Kwame Brown (14 mpg)
- Rookie Brendan Haywood (14 mpg)
- Rookie Etan Thomas (13 mpg)
- Rookie Bobby Simmons (11 mpg)

Jordan was the only new player on the 2002 team that had a significant impact and played significant minutes. So this would have been the only time that a sub-20 win team became a winning team within one season, after only adding 1 new starter.

 Keep in mind that even before his knee injury, Jordan had broken his ribs in early 2001 against Ron Artest in a pickup game. Jordan's knee problems were also there at the beginning of the season, when fluid buildup forced him to skip 3 days of practice before the season opener. Jordan was extremely hobbled before the season even began and was still basically a less efficient version of T-Mac and only slightly behind LeBron's career numbers prior to the knee collision. 

 And on top of that, Jordan was able to have this impact despite the absence of Rip Hamilton for about a month during Jordan's 26-20 stretch (Jordan missed 1 game vs the Spurs - bringing the Wizards record to 26-21 before the injury). 

In the last 16 games that Rip and Jordan played together prior to Jordan's knee collision, the Wizards went 15-1, and they won 13 straight games when both of them played together. Had both Rip and MJ stayed healthy, they very well could have cracked 50 wins overall despite starting the season 2-9 and being a 19-win team the previous year. After Jordan's injury, Rip went 9-24 (0.273 win%) in the remaining games he played, so it was clearly Jordan who had by far the most impact on the W column. 

 Even with Rip playing 78 games, the 2001 Wizards were a 19-win team with virtually the same supporting cast. Despite a much worse supporting cast than the aforementioned players, he still led them to a winning record with an injured Rip Hamilton prior to the injury, and as mentioned above, the Wizards were 15-1 in their last 16 games prior to the knee injury with Jordan and Rip both playing.
Ron Artest, a much better defender than Lebron,
couldn't slow down a 40 year old Jordan
Anyways, back to the topic at hand. We were looking at how a washed up Jordan was schooling the top defenses of the so-called advanced 2000s players and teams. The 2002 Nets had a top 5 defense in the league, and allowed 92 pts a game. For comparison, the 2013/14 Bulls held opponents to a league BEST 92 pts a game. Kobe and Shaq had to beat these Nets to complete their 3peat, and this Nets defense was so good, they held a 24 year old Paul Pierce to 36% shooting in the entire 2002 ECF.

You know, the same Pierce that defeated Kobe's Lakers to win 2008 Finals MVP. The same Pierce that knocked Lebron out of the 2008 and 2010 Playoffs, as well as dropping 41 pts on his overrated defense to win a crucial game 7. Well, Jordan at age 38 ended up with this statline against the 2002 Nets - 45 pts, 10 rebs, 7 ast, 3 stl, 50% shooting. Sure seems like that top 5 defense was too tough for him. 
Kenyon Martin's athleticism and size
sure slowed Jordan down. Not.
The next year, the 2003 Nets made the Finals again and lost in 6 to Tim Duncan's Spurs. This time, the Nets had the number 2 defense in the league and only allowed 90 pts a game. In the 2003 NBA Finals, they held Tony Parker to 39% shooting and Ginobili to 35% shooting. But they still got lit up by Jordan. At age 39, he dropped 43 pts, 10 rebs, 3 ast, 4 stl, on 60% shooting against the back to back Eastern Conference Champ Nets. Jordan had no problem torching the same Nets that Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan needed to beat to win championships. Also, notice that the Nets were using zone in both of those games. Even at age 40 Jordan had no problem lighting up that weak defense. It's a little known fact, for some reason, that Jordan actually played zones in his day as well. We'll get to that later.

Let's look at some other great defensive teams of the 2000s. Everybody knows that the big man can have a major impact on defense. With a great defensive big man in the paint, it makes it much harder to drive in the lane and get easy buckets. Let's see how Jordan did against teams with imposing big men as the cornerstone of their defense.

One of the greatest defensive presences in the paint for the 2000s is the former DPOY Kevin Garnett. The same Kevin Garnett who even with his dominant presence in the paint, had his Wolves roasted by a 38 year old Jordan with a 35 pts, 6 rebs, 4 ast on 47% shooting performance. This is the same Garnett who was the defensive anchor of the Celtics that held Lebron to 36% shooting and Kobe to 40% shooting in their respective playoff series during their 2008 championship season.
Jordan had no problem lighting up the Pistons with
4x DPOY Ben Wallace as their cornerstone

In the 01/02 season where Ben Wallace won his first DPOY, a 38 year old Jordan dropped 19 pts with 8 rebounds in only 22 minutes. Jordan shot 8/18, which isn't bad for a 38 year old man from a "weak" era of basketball. This was all despite the great threat that Ben Wallace was in the paint. The same Ben Wallace who was a 4 time DPOY, and the anchor of the Pistons that held Kobe to 38% shooting in the Finals, Lebron to 44% in the 2006 Playoffs, and Duncan to 42% shooting in the 2005 NBA Finals. Lebron himself was not able to beat the Pistons until 4x DPOY Ben Wallace had left the team.

In another game of that same season against the same Pistons, Jordan dropped 32 pts, 5 rebs, 7 ast on 43%. That FG% isn't great, but considering it's a 38 year old Jordan, it isn't horrible. Definitely not bad enough to suggest that a prime Jordan would struggle. For reference, Kobe put up 32.4 pts, 5.6 rebs, and 7.4 ast on 43% against the 2009 Magic for his 4th championship.

So we see that in the 2000s even the elite defenders (2002 Nets with top 5 and top 2 defense) or imposing paint presences (Garnett and Wallace - 5 DPOY between them) got torched by a 38 to 40 year old Jordan on injured knees. Laughable how people can claim that the new athletes in the NBA are more advanced than those in Jordan's day, when Jordan himself at 40 years old is schooling these "advanced" players in or near their prime.
Payton did a much better job on 1996 MVP Jordan
than all of the 2000s "advanced" defenders
 did against a 38-40 year Jordan

 Let's look back at the defensive master Gary Payton, who held Jordan to 27 ppg on 41.5% shooting in the 1996 NBA Finals - his lowest scoring and shooting output in all 6 NBA Finals, when Jordan was MVP and led his team to 72 wins. Gary Payton did much, much better defense on MVP Jordan than guys like DPOY Artest, the back to back conference champ Nets (with top 5 and top 2 defenses), the Garnett Wolves, or Wallace Pistons did on a 38 to 40 year old Jordan on bad knees. 

 Payton held an MVP Jordan to 41.5% shooting, but the 2002/03 defenses couldn't even hold Jordan under 44.5% shooting, and Jordan averaged 46% shooting after his 40th birthday. So much for today's defenders being "more advanced and skilled." How can they say that when Payton was making a 1996 MVP Jordan struggle while the new players aren't doing a better job?

Here are some more things to note.


In the 2001/02 season, Jordan was one of only six players to score 50+ points in a game that season, and Jordan was one of only two players to do it on a top 7 defense. Three of the other five players that had 50+ points went against defenses that were not in the top 20.


Jordan had the 4th most 40 point games in the 01/02 season with 5. That was more than the extremely athletic superstar players like Vince (4), Kobe (1), Garnett (0) as well as other great players of the 2000s like Duncan (1) and Pierce (1). Jordan missed 22 games of that season, only started for 53, and was still among the league leaders in 40 point games.

 A more detailed breakdown
  • 2001/02 season - T-Mac started 76 games and had 6 40+ point games
  • 2001/02 season - Jordan started 53 games (46 pre-injury) and had 5 40+ point games (All above 50% FG)
  • 2001/02 season - Vince started 60 games and had 4 40+ point games
  • 2001/02 season - Kobe started 80 games and had 1 40+ point game
  • 2001/02 season - Duncan started 82 games and had 1 40+ point game
  • 2001/02 season - Pierce started 82 games and had 1 40+ point game
  • 2001/02 season - Dirk started 76 games and had 1 40+ point game
  • 2001/02 season - Garnett started 81 games and had 0 40+ point games
And the most impressive part is that given all this information, the 2002 Wizards would have a realistic chance of making the NBA Finals had their lineup stayed healthy the full season with Rip and Jordan playing full-time.
We might have been able to see this matchup
in the 2002 NBA Finals had the Wizards stayed
healthy throughout the season

Wizards = 26-21 up to the game Jordan had his knee injury against the Kings, and lost 9 of their next 10 games right after the injury.

As mentioned before, Rip Hamilton, the Wizards' 2nd best player, missed about a month from groin injury in the first half of the season.

Wizards = 15-1 in the last 16 games that Jordan and Rip played together before the injury

Wizards = on pace for 45 wins up to Jordan's injury on Feb 7, 2002 against the Kings, even with Rip Hamilton missing all that time. (46-47 wins if you consider the 26-20 record when Jordan played, he missed 1 game that brought their record to 26-21)

Nets = the number 1 East seed at 52 wins.

With Rip and Jordan playing full time they could easily get 50+ wins and contend for the number 1 seed and Eastern Conference championships. Of course, the Wizards still wouldn't have stood a chance against Shaq and Kobe's Lakers in the Finals.

and as shown above, the Wizards played great defense before Jordan's injury

Up to the injury game
Wizards = allowed 92.2 ppg through 47 games (Jordan missed 1 game)
- would be tied for 6th-best in the league with the Pistons.

Wizards = allowed 92.0 ppg in the 46 games Jordan played
- would be tied for 5th best in the league with the Nets

After Jordan's injury 
Wizards = allowed 96.8 ppg in the remaining 35 games
- would be ranked 19th in the league
- and fell to 11th in ppg allowed for the overall season.

Jordan's stats are actaully deflated compared to other stars, because he played with the fewest possessions possible during his 6 championships.

Championship Teams with a Sub-90 Pace in the Playoffs
17. 1994 Rockets - 89.9
16. 2010 Lakers - 89.6

15. 1992 Bulls - 89.0
T-13. 1989 Pistons - 88.9
T-13. 2007 Spurs - 88.9
12. 1993 Bulls - 88.5
11. 1991 Bulls - 88.1

10. 2012 Heat - 88.0
T-8. 2013 Heat - 87.3
T-8. 2005 Spurs - 87.3
7. 1996 Bulls - 86.8
6. 2011 Mavericks - 86.6

5. 2004 Pistons - 86.1
4. 2008 Celtics - 85.9
3. 1997 Bulls - 85.5
2. 1999 Spurs - 85.4
1. 1998 Bulls - 84.1

Amongst championship teams

Bulls have
- 6 of the top 15 slowest playoff paces
- 3 of the top 7 slowest playoff paces
- 2 of the top 3 slowest playoff paces
- the slowest playoff pace

Spurs have
- 2 of the top 8 slowest playoff paces
- the 2nd-slowest playoff pace

Bulls (6 times), Spurs (3 times), Heat (2 times), and Pistons (2 times) are the only championship teams with multiple sub-90 playoff paces. Though the Pistons were 15 years apart. No Title teams with a sub-90 Playoff Pace prior to 1989.

The fact that Jordan put up his amazing stats during his championship runs with the fewest possessions possible clearly shows how much more dominant he would be in any other era.


More
- Looking at how the Jordan Era players had an easier time in the modern era
- Looking at how a 38-40 year old Jordan himself schooled the 2000s defenders

SECTION 3 - Jordan's "Weak" Defensive Competition Compared to Lebron/Kobe's "Advanced" Competition
- Proving the vast superiority of individual defenders of Jordan's era compared to the 2000s
- Destroying the myth that Jordan never played zone defense
- Proof that 80s/90s players would still have success guarding 2000s players without the 80s/90s rules
- Looking at how Jordan did against the 80s teams and why expansion did not make it easier to win championships
- Proof that Jordan's Competition was 80s-quality and far better than the 2000s era
- Looking at the truth of how the Bulls did without Jordan, and how other great teams did without their stars.
- Did Jordan really get any more special treatment than other superstars? Nope.
- Exposing the myths behind the great, but misunderstood, Wilt Chamberlain
- Looking at how Lebron got locked down by defenders of the 2000s era and comparing them to the vastly superior 80s/90s
- Destroying one of the media's biggest misconceptions regarding Lebron's solid but vastly overrated defense
- Lebron fans think no player in history could succeed if their teammates don't step up, and that Lebron is the only one who has carried a team on his back. Is that really the case?
- The real Jordan vs Lebron comparison
- The real Jordan vs Kobe comparison
- Kareem is great, but he is not even the greatest center of all-time, let alone the greatest of all-time.
- The full context behind Jordan's struggles without Pippen
- A look at how Jordan turned the Wizards around before his knee injury caught up to him

- Looking at Jordan's defensive impact in detail, both as a team player and 1 on 1 defender

- Looking at the strong evidence supporting that Jordan would have achieved more than what LeBron has in Cleveland and Miami 

SECTION 21 - Hakeem Olajuwon: The Greatest Center of All-Time
- Hakeem Olajuwon is the best center of all-time, and there is strong evidence to prove it

SECTION 22 - Chris Paul: The Most Overrated Point Guard Of All-Time
- Chris Paul is an extremely overrated playoff performer and defender, and isn't even a top 5 PG of his own era, let alone all-time

SECTION 23 - Kevin Johnson: The Most Underrated Point Guard Of All-Time
- Kevin Johnson is an extremely underrated and under-appreciated point guard, who should have been a first-ballot Hall of Famer and considered a top-10 point guard of all-time

SECTION 24 - The Three Greatest Playoff Runs of All-Time
- Analyzing the three greatest individual playoff runs in NBA history

SECTION 25 - The Worst Finals Performances of All-Time
- Analyzing the worst performances in NBA Finals history

SECTION 26 - Jordan vs Russell
- Comparing the two players who won the most championships as the best player on their team

SECTION 27 - The Five Greatest Coaches of All-Time
- Taking a look at the greatest coaches in NBA history

 SECTION 28 - The Least Deserving Finals MVPs of All-Time
- Taking a look at the players who least deserved to win their Finals MVPs

SECTION 29 - Refuting 10 Myths About Michael Jordan
- Refuting certain myths about Jordan, as well as abridging of some of the main points in earlier sections for easier reference.

SECTION 30 - The 20 Greatest Conference Finals Runs of All-Time
- Ranking the 20 greatest playoff runs in which a player played 3 rounds before losing prior to the NBA Finals

 SECTION 31 - The 1970s: The Weakest Decade of the NBA's Post-Infancy
- Why the 1970s was the weakest decade of any era from 1960-present

 SECTION 32 - The 10 Worst Supporting Casts on NBA Finals Teams (1960-Present)
- Examining the worst supporting casts on teams that reached the NBA Finals

SECTION 33 - The 10 Greatest Rookie Playoff Runs of All-Time
- The most impressive playoff runs in which rookies led their team to at least one series win
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